Wednesday, May 4, 2011

dipper deputy leader: Obama is a liar....update: dipper foreign affairs critic: U.S. government has photos

Posted by Christian  |  at  4.5.11

Well, after the catastrophic election results on Monday, and by that I'm referring to the harper majority, I suppose bashing the new opposition party for any reason whatsoever might be a way to pass the time. Karma, and all that.

Anyway, Barack Obama decides that releasing the pictures of osama bin killed, might not be a good idea.

"It is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who is shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool…we don't trot out this stuff as trophies," said Obama, who saw the photos.
Deputy dipper Thomas Mulcair says, yeah, that's because he doesn't have any pictures, so there!
Thomas Mulcair struck a conspiracy theory note Wednesday when he told CBC TV that U.S. President Barack Obama's version of the death of the terrorist mastermind is incomplete, if not untrue.

"I don't think from what I've heard that those pictures exist,"
Where did you hear that, Mr.Mulcair? Alex Jones, perhaps?


Well that didn't take long. Foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar contradicts Mulcair.
"We have no reason to doubt the veracity of President Obama’s statement," Dewar wrote in an emailed statement.

"I understand that the U.S. government has photos, but decided not to release them as they do not want them used as trophies. This is a legitimate concern. We agree these types of photos shouldn’t be used as propaganda tools.

"As in all cases, the public’s right to know must be balanced with public safety concerns."
So Dewar would hide information when he thinks it's appropriate? Not very dipper like, I must say!


  1. wow. I held off criticizing the NDP for years hoping the Libs and NDP would aim the barbs away from each other and at harper instead, but not content to have become the official opposition, and not content to see the Liberal party take a massive blow, some want them to now curl up and die completely. I now criticize any politician or party if they cross certain lines. Doesn't help a good party to stay decent if we give them free passes over things we wouldn't tolerate from harper.

    I'm surprised at Mulclair. I thought him to be one of the best.

  2. I have held off as well. But I am sick and tired of the self righteous who only criticize others. See my update. It'll be an interesting four years. Hopefully some "progressives" will learn something.

  3. Why do you believe they got him?

  4. Wha, thwap? Can you ask a specific question?

  5. right, Christian. We need to criticize what we value when it screws up or we fall into making concessions we shouldn't claiming the ends justify the means. They don't. That type of excuse making is giving silent approval.

  6. How specific do you want me to be? Why do you believe that they got him? They've already lied about the facts of his death. First he used his wife as a human shield, then it wasn't his wife. Then he might not have even been armed.

    Then, supposedly because his head was a mess they can't show any photos and they dumped his body into the sea.

    Why do you believe they got him?

  7. Big Jesus, I agree we should criticize when it is called for. I am a member only to this agg. The venom I have seen spewed for no other reason than to demonize the Liberals has been outstanding. For me, there was no need to join the choir, because when you do have a legitimate beef, the extremists pile on.

    Lets see how they enjoy being the opposition for a while. Again, I hope some will raise their discourse, and not post shit like, I see dead Liberals.

  8. yeah, that I see dead Liberals was over the top. Or below the belt, or choose your metaphor.

  9. thwap, take your dipper conspiracy theories somewhere else, okay?

  10. 900, is par for the course a metaphor? :)

  11. Christian,

    Yesterday, it was widely reported that bin Laden "resisted" his capture and "engaged in a firefight" with U.S. forces (leaving most people, including me, to say that his killing was legally justified because he was using force). It was also repeatedly claimed that bin Laden used a women -- his wife -- as a human shield to protect himself, and that she was killed as a result. That image -- of a cowardly through violent-to-the-end bin Laden -- framed virtually every media narrative of the event all over the globe. And it came from many government officials, principally Obama's top counter-terrorism adviser, John Brennan.

    Those claims have turned out to be utterly false. From TPM today:

    "It was a fitting end for the America's most wanted man. As President Barack Obama's Deputy National Security Adviser John Brennan told it, a cowardly Osama bin Laden used his own wife as a human shield in his final moments. Except that apparently wasn't what happened at all."

    "Hours later, other administration officials were clarifying Brennan's account. Turns out the woman that was killed on the compound wasn't bin Laden's wife. Bin Laden may have not even been using a human shield. And he might not have even been holding a gun."

    Politico's Josh Gerstein adds: "The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, including claims by senior U.S. officials that the Al Qaeda leader had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces." Gerstein added: "a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed."

    I'll gladly take my questions elsewhere. God forbid a US politician should ever lie 'eh? You'd have to be crazy to think that!

    Are you always this credulous? (Reason i ask is I've got some stuff on e-bay I'm trying to unload.)

  12. thwap, I wasn't trying to be short with you. I apoligize for that. But you ask me a question which I, and you for that matter, have no clue about. Yes, we can read different accounts of the incident, yes we can speculate on why Obama made the decision he made. But for Mulcair, the deputy dipper to come out and make such a statement is irresponsible, at the very least.

    And in that context, that is why I asked you if you had a specific question. I have seen many related to this issue. I simply wanted to have an idea of what you were referring to.

  13. Huh?

    I simply find it absurd that you think Mulcair's questioning anything to be insane.

    I don't know what happened on 9-11. I don't think "bush did it" but given bush and Cheney's obstructionism I think there should at least be an unimpeded investigation into that important event.

    But I don't believe in conspiracies involving hundreds, or thousands of co-conspirators.

    But given Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, "We know he has WMDs. We know where they are." ... it isn't insane to believe that the US could muster 5-10 people to fake this?

    If you believe that such deceit is simply beyond Obama's moral rectitude, well then, I'd say you're gullible.

    If that's not what you're saying the i don't know.

  14. I never called Mulcair, insane. See, this is what happens when you view things in black or white. You make things up.

    Regarding your 9~11/Tillman/Jessica Lynch diatribe, that has nothing to do with THIS story. Slow down. Four years is four years. Don't burn yourself out.


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